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The straw that broke the Camel's back?
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Posted: Saturday, August 24, 2013 - 09:27 AM UTC
Greetings all the following was sento my gmail and I will also provide my response.


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Stephen,

I am building a few 1/48th scale Eduard Camel. Some with aftermarket decals. I saw your remark concerning the misidentfication of the interplane struts. The front one should go in the rear as it is twenty thousandths longer.

I am confused about using the upper cockpit openings options. I know the one with the fully enclosed coaming(part C2) was the most common version but I am unsure when to use the version that is open to the machine guns(part C7). The instructions show Barker's two Camel versions with C7 but the color profiles of Barker's two Camels show the C2 cockpit opening. Can this be determined by aircraft serial numbers? It would require a good photo, of the particular Camel being modeled, of the starboard side revealing the cut down cockpit side for a positive conclusion. Something that would be hard or impossible to come by.

Was the enlarged upper wing opening just a field modification(as Barker did on his final version) or was this something the various manufacturer's starting doing to all Camels after a certain serial number?? I have the datafile but not much use to answer my questions.



Greetings,
C2 is of course the factory standard. C7 is the cut away access for the gun breeches - in the field modification. Here is a cropped image from the Profipack #8056 kit. While Barker's B6313 came factory standard by the time it was photographed in Italy (along with other machines of 28 Sqn in about July 1918) the cockpit coaming is cut down. See the Front cover of "Barker VC" by Wayne Ralph. Grub Street, 1997 & 1999.

Good Luck
Stephen T. Lawson



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Posted: Friday, October 20, 2006 - 03:42 PM UTC
With the Review being added I am just tacking it on to this thread for future reference.
Camel Combo Review
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Posted: Friday, August 25, 2006 - 12:47 AM UTC
Greetings all;

For me it is most impressive that the hits / reads on this thread have continued to grow even after the build has been completed. For those interested I add here a bit of fun from my Camel 2F.1 builds as it is applicable to the wing struts. Enjoy.

I have just united both builds top wings to their respective fuselages. I replaced the kit cabane struts with the airfoil cross-sectioned brass from "STRUTZ." When working with brass I also like to use hobby black to give the brass pieces a surface etched patine that lets paint adhere well. (A little tip from our model railroading neighbours.) But you should use baking soda to neutralize the hobby black then begin painting these items. As with all Eduard Camels I use a pinning method to secure the interplane (wing tip) struts.

First I use an .080 gauge drill bit (smallest bit in the commercially available sets.) I drill corresponding holes in the strut ends and the strut locator sockets. Then I insert fine brass wire (model railroad items.) No hobby black needed here. Into the strut ends and secure with cyano glue. Then I secure these items at their upper most ends into the the upper wing strut locator holes and let them cure. The brass allows for some adjustments even after they are secure to the lower wing sockets. From there it is easy to install cabane struts.

This system can be modified by adding the cabane struts first then the outer wing interplane struts. The trick is to have all struts the exact length needed. Using the Eduard kit items is the best choice to match any scratchbuilt items. The resulting structure is remarkably strong. I have tried the kit suggested method with disappointing results.
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Posted: Wednesday, August 16, 2006 - 08:35 AM UTC

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From a website far far away ...John Masters wrote me and asked...
Nicely done, Stephen. I like the build-link as well. How did you make the castor stains on the underside? From the factory on the hill, John




Well I began by making sure that the starter magneto was off then I had Rowan turn the prop twice. Then I turned the mag back on and...

I have a wash mixture of field drab and tan. I airbrush it on and then spray a clear dull coat barrier down. Once dry I stipple the same mixture (sludge at the bottom) with a stiff bristle brush and dull coat it again.
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Posted: Tuesday, August 15, 2006 - 07:45 PM UTC
Thanks ever-so-much Jan and Lars! Lars I used Testors Model Master Field Drab enamel.
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Posted: Tuesday, August 15, 2006 - 07:15 PM UTC
Top score Stephen. This will get the folks to building Camel for some time ahaed.
Can you tell me what green you have used?
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Posted: Tuesday, August 15, 2006 - 07:04 PM UTC
Awesome work Stephen!!
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Posted: Tuesday, August 15, 2006 - 06:22 PM UTC
Well folks here is the last image I'll post. On the day I took the photos it began to rain and I tried to get the last two shots of the cockpit opening done but rain drops were falling on my head and the model. Oh well.

So to close this tale I'll show you the tail of the Camel. I want to thank Merlin for giving me the opportunity to be apart of the build. And Jean-Luc for his kind assistance with the now familar framing that accents the images. Historian Mike Westrop produced the image of A.F. Brandon ( he is the tops with RNAS & RAF subjects.) Finally the members and guests of the fledgling "Aeroscale" for your kind attention. See you around the hangar folks. JackFlash outbound at Angels two.
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Posted: Tuesday, August 15, 2006 - 06:10 PM UTC
Here is where most of the exhaust on a Camel tended to trail. The ribs showing through the clear doped linen undersurfaces may not be entirely accuarate. You see the wooden wing skeleton had cloth battens tacked to the wing rib caps and then when the fabric was added to the frame these battens serve as a place to sew the covering fabric to the rib caps. then rib tapes were applied. That would give the wing ribs at least three layers of fabric. This would make the ribs standout as whiter than the rest of the undersurfaces of the wings.

But for the sake of modeling and trying a new technique...Viola!
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Posted: Tuesday, August 15, 2006 - 06:00 PM UTC
I will probably go back later and do a tiny bit of dry brushing on the upper surfaces of the wings just to bring out some highlights.
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Posted: Tuesday, August 15, 2006 - 05:55 PM UTC
With the exception of the rigging and the brass pins I used to tie the struts and wings to each other I tried to keep this build as out of the box as possible.
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Posted: Tuesday, August 15, 2006 - 05:51 PM UTC
I did have to pilfer a set of fuselage side cockades as the ones I wound up with were for the night fighter. No worries though I have several left over Eduard Camel decal sheets from my first builds. An AEF F.1 and an instructors Machine that had no fuselage cockades. Also they yielded a couple of "Lift here" and instrument panel decals I needed as well.
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Posted: Tuesday, August 15, 2006 - 05:45 PM UTC
In retrospect I should probably add a bit of grime to the fuselage sides. Though the images I have of B3834 show they kept the white lettering remarkably clean.
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Posted: Tuesday, August 15, 2006 - 05:40 PM UTC
Next we begin the walk around. From the pilot's right front quarter , you can see I left her a bit grimey as if being inspected after her combat with the Gotha.
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Posted: Tuesday, August 15, 2006 - 05:36 PM UTC
Here we have it folks! I am coming to the end of the presentation of this build. Entotal it took 21build hours. Here she is from the business end. The reason it first appears off center is that is not centered on the crooked trestle saw horse. Bit of a optical illusion.
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Posted: Friday, August 11, 2006 - 07:30 AM UTC
Greetings all;
Film sent to the developer notes ready for the final comments. Its evening here and I'm spending my last vacation days cleaning up my desk. My cup O' coffee for the evening is about finished. Small bowl of ice cream has been vanquished. Family is about the house doing the usual. I will be heading downstairs in a few minutes to dutifully clean the usual mail and stuff off my desk. Then pop in a movie and do a bit of work on the other two Dromedaries on my shelf.

I Have two Roden SE 5a types needing some rigging. A Checquered Crocodile F.2b needs to be closed up. My third Eduard DH 2 is getting its first round of colour. There is this flashy little Gavia Pfalz E.I begging for attention. Euphoria gents.

Merlin, thanks for the opportunity to have a go at one of the Camel Combo kits. Keep at yours. I look forward to seeing it.

JackFlash at angels three heading for the hangar.
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Posted: Wednesday, August 09, 2006 - 02:04 AM UTC
Photo shoot tomorrow gang. Several days for developing and framing them in Jean-Luc's showcase framing. Several things I have found out about my colour scheme on this build.

A. Sopwith Camel F.1 B3834 was flown by Flt. Lt. A. F. Brandon of the Manston War Flight at RNAS Manston War School in August 1917. “Wonga - Bonga” was the phrase used to describe the sounds made by the engines on a Gotha Bomber. Manston started its aviation days as a Royal Naval Station in 1916, with a base at Westgate Bay for seaplanes. The early airfield was on the area now occupied by the passenger terminal. By 1917 Manston airfield had grown to include four underground hangars, its own railway line to Birchington, a power station to generate electricity, barracks for 3,000 men and even an indoor swimming pool. Using this machine Flt. Lt. Brandon helped destroy a Gotha in flames on 22 August 1917. “Wonga - Bonga” was damaged with a bullet in #6 cylinder, but landed safely...

Further notes on this bird say that later her fin was over painted the same blue as the rudder stripe. The Camel File text also says that B3834 was finally deleted during the week ending on 9 February 1918.
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Posted: Sunday, August 06, 2006 - 07:19 AM UTC
Greetings all;

I just had a PM from a fellow member asking a question.


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"...In your opinion what would be the best Sopwith Camel kit to build in 1/48. Should i go for an Eduard offering or the Revell kit. Basically i want to build a British version. Something which wouldn't be to complicated or confusing, as in multiple parts for umpteen versions in the box. P.E parts aren't a problem as I can handle them LOL. Thanks for your time..."



Greetings,
Go with the Eduard in 1/48 for the Sopwith F.1 Camel. But do take into consideration its best to pin all of the struts to the wings and fuselage for this kit. It gives the build strength.
Regards Stephen
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Posted: Sunday, August 06, 2006 - 02:49 AM UTC
Hey Andy,

Please understand on the Camels I was doing just a bit on each one. This build of the F.1 Combo Camel, Two 2F.1 types and another F.1 to be completed later.

If you have seen my desk images under my profile you will notice the blue framed parts drawers. These are either extras parts or partially completed kits that have internal / cockpits and engines completed but have not had any outer surfaces painted.

By the way the rigging on this build is completed. Will begin adding final decals then the touch up and final dull coating.
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Posted: Saturday, August 05, 2006 - 10:58 PM UTC

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Hey Lars, I am officially on vacation.

This month I am submitting two invoices for published articles in Model Aircraft Monthly on the Nieu. 11 & 17.

Have just been notified that two articles of mine are in this issue of Cross & Cockade Intl. Issoudon and Field Five at Issoudon.

Last night did work on four Camel kits ( this one the two Naval birds and an extra I wound up with in an estate sale.) Just a little on each.

Have one article to get out to C&C Intl by tomorrow.

Have a large manuscript to drop off (older one) to be typed into computer text format for submission to publish in my first book.

Have been asked to provide images for consideration by a hobby magazine publisher to do a monograph on my builds.

The website is doing well and I am selling more kit reviews everyday.

Just rec'd two Planet Models Rumpler C.IV types (Resin) and one has already been commissioned to build for someone else. Deposit in the bank.

Have submitted at their request an article to publish in Windsock magazine.

I have just been notified of the impending birth of my #3 grandchild...(7.5 months.)

I have two weeks to build models and do research.

I am a very bless man. Sorry to blow my own horn I just feel so good. Its great to be alive.


WOW Stephen, you are one incredibly busy man.
Building 4 camels at once now thats just showing off :-) .
You can blow your own horn as much as you like, and we may even play along with you.
Glad life is treating you well, long may it continue.
Andy
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Posted: Thursday, August 03, 2006 - 02:07 AM UTC
Greetings all;

While working on the rigging I thought to add this comment here. Some portions of the wings ( and depending on the fuselage markings) will have decals applied before the rigging. This includes the cockades / roundels...national markings and some fuselage markings for specific profiles and rudder. Just a little fore-thought or planning avoids a great deal of swearing and frustration.
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Posted: Monday, July 31, 2006 - 01:14 PM UTC
Hi Stephen
Grandchildren, have that in the future I hope. Articles, I did some for a Swedish Magazine twenty years ago, that was fun at the time. Nowadays I’ll just building models for the fun..
Keep up the good works




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Posted: Monday, July 31, 2006 - 11:31 AM UTC
Hear! Hear!

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