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Airfix 1/72 Fokker Eindecker EIII
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Posted: Tuesday, November 27, 2018 - 10:33 AM UTC
Thanks, Russel! I'm trying to do this build in parallel with a GB build and I'm struggling to get regular updates, but they're coming.

Thanks for stopping by!

Cheers!
Gabriel
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Posted: Monday, November 26, 2018 - 08:27 PM UTC
Looking mighty fine Gabriel!
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Posted: Friday, November 23, 2018 - 02:12 AM UTC

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Gabriel! Good progress! That engine is really super, what did you use for that metallic base coat? I haven't found any metallic paint that doesn't look "flaky" seen close up, that engine really looks metal!



Thanks, Magnus, for your prize!
I use nothing else but good old Alclad II. But I cannot stress enough how important the technique is!
I was experiencing lately a lot with metallic paints because, same as you, I hate the metallic flake - It basically ruined the looks on my last MiG-15! Here few of my finds:
- applying a gloss black base it's a must; the glossier the black, the shinier the "metal";
- I apply Alclad immediately after the black (just a small break to clean the airbrush and to change paints in the cup). In this way, the metallic paint fuses better with the undercoat and the tendency of "powdering up" diminishes;
- I try to apply the metallic paint from as close as I can without having runs, at low pressure (18-20 psi), from a single pass (maximum two passes). Any subsequent pass will give the powdery effect;
- however, it this last thing happens, you might try to fix it after drying by lightly buffing the Alclad with a q-tip. Here below an example where I went too heavy and I buffed the part afterwards:


If you are after a mirror like finish, I would suggest a hefty clear coat between gloss black and metallic paint (I normally use polyurethane clear), followed by another solid coat of clear. The exhaust pipe on this example is painted in the manner described above:


Final note: not always works as it should , depending on the pigment used by the manufacturer, as seen below:

The preparation and application went perfectly, but still a little grainy effect is visible.

The best results I have achieved with Alclad Polished aluminum, Alclad Airframe aluminum and Alclad Chrome.

I hope this helps.

Cheers!
Gabriel
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Posted: Friday, November 23, 2018 - 01:38 AM UTC
Gabriel! Good progress! That engine is really super, what did you use for that metallic base coat? I haven't found any metallic paint that doesn't look "flaky" seen close up, that engine really looks metal!



Magnus
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Posted: Thursday, November 22, 2018 - 12:41 PM UTC
Hi, guys!

Small UPDATE
I've been busy cleaning my bench of unfinished builds - most notable the annoying Mack DM600 and now I'll try to carry on with this build. I primed the fuselage with Krylon gloss black as a first step before Alclad II Aircraft Airframe, but in my haste I forgot to mask and spray the wing grilles , so I have only the metallic cowling ready for now:


Cheers!
Gabriel
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Posted: Friday, November 02, 2018 - 01:47 PM UTC
Thank you, Russel!

Joe, I think that is exactly what is going to happen next with my propeller. Thanks for suggestion!

UPDATE

I was saying in a previous post that the fit between fuselage halves gave me a step. I highlighted the joint with a black marker:


... and then sanded with nail buffers and sanding sponges until the line disappeared (almost) completely:


I also attached the Spandau machine gun and replaced the "muzzle" with stretched tube:


Thanks for following!
More updates in the making!

Cheers!
Gabriel
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Posted: Thursday, November 01, 2018 - 04:53 AM UTC
Looking good. I had trouble with a good wood look too. I settled on Model Master's 'wood' (seems like cheating) as a base coat and very thin lines of burnt umber oil.
RussellE
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Posted: Wednesday, October 31, 2018 - 08:39 AM UTC
beautiful
Szmann
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Posted: Wednesday, October 31, 2018 - 12:28 AM UTC
Hi, guys!

UPDATE

The firewall and the front part of cockpit installed. The fit is excellent - Tamiya tape is there just "to make sure":


An oil wash applied over the engine, then detailed with Model Master Metallic Gold enamel:


Size comparison with 1 Euro coin:


Engine - propeller - firewall mock-up. I didn't like the look of the propeller and applied another home-brewed acrylic wash (no pictures yet):


Stay tuned!
More updates soon!

Cheers!
Gabriel
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Posted: Monday, October 29, 2018 - 11:09 PM UTC
Russel, the fuselage has the size of a disposable lighter and it's half wide. The worth of plastic in this kit is probably a few pennies but the engineering and detail are really good.

Thomas, Yes, the new buckles have more of a scale sence Thanks for sharing your experience with E-Z line. It's on my shopping list but the first incoming shipment isn't gonna be earlier than December... so in this build I'm going to use stretched sprue or synthetic hair. Either way, I'll try and make the turnbuckles from copper wire and the wire retainers (sleeves?) from stretched tube. The kit has also some nice raised pimples for rigging, suited for a butt fit but also can be used as guide for drilling to an angle. All that I need it's the smallest drill ever
Thanks for following up!

Cheers!
Gabriel
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Posted: Monday, October 29, 2018 - 10:02 PM UTC
Very nice progress and detailing, Gabriel!
The buckles are looking much better now.

Though I'm a fan of stretched sprue in any variations, I used EZ-lines (hard to get here) on my first and only Bi-Plane build (1/48 ) after returned to the Hobby to find out how they work. And I can only recommend them for rigging (though they are flat, not round. What is hardly to see when stretched). Not sure if I would go for rigging buckles on that scale

Looking foreward to your build,
Th mas
RussellE
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Posted: Monday, October 29, 2018 - 09:30 PM UTC
Seeing it up against the bottle of extra thin just goes to show how small it is Gabriel!
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Posted: Monday, October 29, 2018 - 01:16 PM UTC
Russel thank you for your moral support and for the will to help. I will sort it out before the next stringy thing for sure!

Vicious, thank you very much, Sir, and welcome aboard! Yep, not only the scale hurts my eyes, but also the original aircraft is a little bigger than my mountain bike !

UPDATE

I couldn't live with those huge (2mm) belt buckles and I made new ones from thinner copper wire. I chose the less invasive method of undoing the belts at the ends, extracting the old over-sized buckles and inserting new ones, more appropriate to the scale:


I rushed then to close the fuselage before I do something stupid again. The task wasn't as easy as it seems. The lower third was a little warped and the locator pins where the halves intersect the horizontal plane were a little off, and I still have a small step left between the sides on the dorsal flat surface (easy to address hopefully):


More updates follow!
Cheers!
Gabriel
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Posted: Monday, October 29, 2018 - 09:11 AM UTC
WoW!...in 1/72 is amazing!

also BNA Models carry EZline and Ushi lines,for your scale i think Ushi made the super-fine line
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Posted: Monday, October 29, 2018 - 08:23 AM UTC

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Gabriel, amazing work with the seat belts!

Definitely taking notes for when I break mine out of the stash!

For the rigging I can't go past Ezy line: Drill a small hole with a #72 bit, place a drop of accelerator in it. Dab the end of the Ezy line in CA medium and then place in the hole. Repeat with the other end. This can be done with the line under tension too

Recommend a couple of practice runs on an old model til you get the hang of it



Thanks, Russel!
Honestly, I find the buckles a little over-scale, but I didn't realized how small the seat is until I literally added the belts and I was completely drained by that time to re-do all the work But idea is working and next time I'm gonna do a better job.
I know about E-Z line and Uschi rigging threads, but my US supplier doesn't carry it. I've tried to add it to my last Amazon order, but that would have complicated way too much my logistics and the end price would have been completely unrealistic I have planed a trip in Europe for the Spring and I'm gonna come back loaded with Revell glue, Uschi line and Eastern European decals

Cheers!
Gabriel



Hi Gabriel

These planes sure were tiny when compared to their WW2 counterparts. Adding details as you have is a challenge at this size/scale and you've done a great job on it.

For EZ-line you could try these guys at Red Roo Models They are my go-to guys for this stuff and maybe the postage won't be so bad to the Caribbean???

Meanwhile you're doing a fantastic job-makes me want to finish the KGV off even quicker and get into the " stash of little red boxes" in my garage ahh, but real life...
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Posted: Sunday, October 28, 2018 - 10:04 PM UTC

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Gabriel, amazing work with the seat belts!

Definitely taking notes for when I break mine out of the stash!

For the rigging I can't go past Ezy line: Drill a small hole with a #72 bit, place a drop of accelerator in it. Dab the end of the Ezy line in CA medium and then place in the hole. Repeat with the other end. This can be done with the line under tension too

Recommend a couple of practice runs on an old model til you get the hang of it



Thanks, Russel!
Honestly, I find the buckles a little over-scale, but I didn't realized how small the seat is until I literally added the belts and I was completely drained by that time to re-do all the work But idea is working and next time I'm gonna do a better job.
I know about E-Z line and Uschi rigging threads, but my US supplier doesn't carry it. I've tried to add it to my last Amazon order, but that would have complicated way too much my logistics and the end price would have been completely unrealistic I have planed a trip in Europe for the Spring and I'm gonna come back loaded with Revell glue, Uschi line and Eastern European decals

Cheers!
Gabriel
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Posted: Sunday, October 28, 2018 - 09:41 PM UTC

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Russel, I am becoming myself an Airfix collector; I buy much more than I can build . Yes, I have two excellent silver enamels, the Model Master and Krylon but I cannot find a good acrylic one. Maybe I'll try the Vallejo one with the next order...

Magnus, Thanks for support! The rigging diagram isn't all that scary, but lack of proper materials and experience compounded it's going to give me headaches for sure... I'm looking forward for trouble!

Gary, you must be right again! The (primer) red didn't make any sense for me. Somebody must be color blind by WnW or I need a guide to WnW guide. I guess the second option is more likely. And thank you so much for another well timed comment - I was just about to commit myself to clear coating the interior.

Thanks for following!
Cheers!
Gabriel



Gabriel, amazing work with the seat belts!

Definitely taking notes for when I break mine out of the stash!

For the rigging I can't go past Ezy line: Drill a small hole with a #72 bit, place a drop of accelerator in it. Dab the end of the Ezy line in CA medium and then place in the hole. Repeat with the other end. This can be done with the line under tension too

Recommend a couple of practice runs on an old model til you get the hang of it
Szmann
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Posted: Sunday, October 28, 2018 - 08:57 PM UTC
Hi, guys!

UPDATE

I start dealing with the other details in the cockpit / engine area.
The front fuel tank, the instrument panel and the firewall assembled and primed:


The engine primed with Krylon black gloss enamel:


The seat harness made from Tamiya masking tape and steel wire (florist's wire):


The belts primed with Tamiya Surface Primer to add some texture and as preparation for painting with acrylics:


For its size, the engine has some nice detail:


Engine sprayed with Alclad II polished aluminum, followed by Alclad Aqua Gloss


Belts added to the seat:



The seat installed in its place:


An oil wash follows and closing the fuselage.

More updates in the making!
Cheers!
Gabriel
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Posted: Friday, October 26, 2018 - 02:20 AM UTC
quick UPDATE

Thanks, Gary!



Gabriel
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Posted: Friday, October 26, 2018 - 01:50 AM UTC
Russel, I am becoming myself an Airfix collector; I buy much more than I can build . Yes, I have two excellent silver enamels, the Model Master and Krylon but I cannot find a good acrylic one. Maybe I'll try the Vallejo one with the next order...

Magnus, Thanks for support! The rigging diagram isn't all that scary, but lack of proper materials and experience compounded it's going to give me headaches for sure... I'm looking forward for trouble!

Gary, you must be right again! The (primer) red didn't make any sense for me. Somebody must be color blind by WnW or I need a guide to WnW guide. I guess the second option is more likely. And thank you so much for another well timed comment - I was just about to commit myself to clear coating the interior.

Thanks for following!
Cheers!
Gabriel
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Posted: Thursday, October 25, 2018 - 10:37 PM UTC
Hand pump would be brass, not red.

Gary
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Posted: Thursday, October 25, 2018 - 10:18 PM UTC
Gabriel! What a sweet build ! There shouldn't be more than a rather moderate amount of rigging on that one and it should also be easily accessible so don't worry too much about it !



Magnus
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Posted: Thursday, October 25, 2018 - 09:41 PM UTC

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OOO! I have this kit in the stash and am keen to build it!

I love these new kits by Airfix and will be watching with interest.

Nice detailing by the way



Thanks, Russel!

I'm glad to see you aboard!

Yes, it seems to me that Airfix are working hard to straighten up the things at their end - with very god results: better detail, very good molds, better instructions, and Cartograph decals. The side-opening box isn't all that brilliant and Humbrol only color calling - but these are minor inconveniences. And let's not forget the prices, more than decent!

It was a good move from you to buy this kit - if you don't go in super-detailing as I do, it makes a very nice "week-end" build.

Thanks again!
Cheers!
Gabriel



Couldn't agree more Gabriel! Airfix are producing some top notch kits!

Pretty much my entire stash of aircraft models is comprised of new tool Airfix 1/72 aircraft (WW2 era of course). Each time they annouce a new 1/72 it usually finds its way into the stash somehow. Will be interesting to see what they announce at Telford...

Meanwhile your Eindecker is looking great. Adding the extra colours really makes the details pop!

Sorry I can't help out with the paints. Usually I'd just get out the trusty enamel silver (Yep Humbrol )
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Posted: Thursday, October 25, 2018 - 01:27 PM UTC
Hi, guys!

UPDATE

I have mixed the "slate gray" recommended by Airfix. I've seen most of the modellers are actually using RLM02 out of convenience (the paint color is, indeed, very similar). In my case, I mixed it myself, using an older "bronze green" from my own distillery, ultramarine blue for black and white:


I ended up using acrylics (wet on wet technique + wash) for the propeller, and not oil paints as announced earlier:


Even #0 brushes are too big for the job!


WnW site calls for red primer for the fuel tank pressurizing pump and I have followed their advice:


The inferior parts of the cockpit detailed - the upper parts not even assembled yet :


However much I wanted to stay away of it, I couldn't avoid the use of enamels because the silver acrylic I have worth nothing. Can somebody recommend me a good silver acrylic (no Tamiya, please). Now I have to apply an acrylic clear coat before washes!

Thank you for following - more updates in the making!
Cheers!
Gabriel
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Posted: Thursday, October 25, 2018 - 12:14 AM UTC

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OOO! I have this kit in the stash and am keen to build it!

I love these new kits by Airfix and will be watching with interest.

Nice detailing by the way



Thanks, Russel!

I'm glad to see you aboard!

Yes, it seems to me that Airfix are working hard to straighten up the things at their end - with very god results: better detail, very good molds, better instructions, and Cartograph decals. The side-opening box isn't all that brilliant and Humbrol only color calling - but these are minor inconveniences. And let's not forget the prices, more than decent!

It was a good move from you to buy this kit - if you don't go in super-detailing as I do, it makes a very nice "week-end" build.

Thanks again!
Cheers!
Gabriel