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Albatros CIII 1/48
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Posted: Saturday, October 27, 2018 - 12:16 AM UTC
Outstanding work with your corrections and added details Louis, and I especially love the wood grain look you have achieved.
Louis
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Posted: Thursday, October 25, 2018 - 10:01 AM UTC
Thank you.

Special Hobby and Eduard have planned to fix the landing gear under the plane while it must be fixed on the flanks.



So I extended legs a bit and gave a fairer shape.They stay a little too thick.







I still have to make the plates that are between the flanks and the legs of the landing gear...

Regards

Hub.
Louis
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Posted: Saturday, October 20, 2018 - 09:51 AM UTC
Hi!

After several weeks the color of the ribs seem to want to stay under the paint. For how long ...




I scraped the varnish with a fiber pen and at the tip of the blade and I messed up the fuselage with oil paint.
Some hatches and grilles that direct the bombs out of the cockpit were stuck.







A new tank was made from the pictures in the WNW P24 Albatross BII (457/16) and the Albatros C1 P23 Windsock. Be careful, there are many sizes (I think).
Large ones that go from the front of the wing to the back, small ones that stop at 2/3.
Obviously I was wrong.









I made a template for a big one. Note that I was also wrong in cutting the round (bottom) that must be the other way ... I used the template provided by Eduard to hold the wings during their assembly to draw the sides of the tank template.

I made a template for a big one. Note that I was also wrong in cutting the round (bottom) that must be the other way ... I used the template provided by Eduard to hold the wings during their assembly to draw the sides of the tank template.


The tank is 23.5mm long.



During editing I made a "print" after retouching. If it can be useful to someone.





Inside I glued the two discs (8mm diameter) separated by 4mm. They give the shape of the front of the tank.



The length and height of the set have been resized to match the photos.
The welds are made of stretched plastic glued to tamiya glue.
The two square rods at the front are 1.5mm wide.
Below the large nut will receive the hose that will power the engine.







Still to paint, green or metal, or gray?

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Vicious
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Posted: Thursday, October 04, 2018 - 10:06 AM UTC
first .... very nice work !! .... i done the same mistake with the sharpie's both with acrylics and with enamel they reappear
Louis
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Posted: Thursday, October 04, 2018 - 09:28 AM UTC
Tamiya Paint !
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Posted: Wednesday, October 03, 2018 - 11:32 PM UTC
Oh no!!
That seemed like a really good idea.

Are you using lacquer of acrylic paint?
Louis
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Posted: Wednesday, October 03, 2018 - 08:54 AM UTC



The brown color of the marker is reappeared above the paint of a rudder!!!

We stop the brown marker.

Sorry.
Louis
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Posted: Saturday, September 29, 2018 - 09:24 AM UTC

A compass (Boussole in french) ???





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Louis
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Posted: Saturday, September 29, 2018 - 09:20 AM UTC
Merci !

Hello,

to change, I have colored the ribs of the wings with the indelible brown marker.
Once on the plastic, once on the background paint (which makes more sense).





The marker does not move, it is really indelible

During the painting:





This one (Sharpie marker):


https://www.scrapmalin.com/loisirs_creatifs/p-marqueur-permanent-pointe-fine-0-9-mm-marron-247803.html" TARGET="_blank">Sharpie marker


I stop the sticky paper strips!

Regards

c4willy
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Posted: Wednesday, September 19, 2018 - 11:52 AM UTC
Outstanding work Louis! You're work thus far is nothing short of inspiring mon ami!
Louis
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Posted: Wednesday, September 19, 2018 - 09:09 AM UTC
Hello.

The dragon is finished or almost.

With errors as it should be.

The back of the wing should go down much lower (the files used for animals are drafts Dragon- Croco )

The chest is a little disproportionate and the leg misplaced. The ridge on the head is a little high, etc.
By working with a magnifying glass, I tend not to pay attention to the proportions and orientation of the details in relation to the whole. The scales of the neck are not well oriented.






The tail is partly out of "my artistic license" ... On the pictures have hardly seen any detail.











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Louis
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Posted: Saturday, September 08, 2018 - 08:12 AM UTC
When I look at the mouth of the crocodile I do not understand why the commissure goes down so oddly.




She would be more "conventional" like that.




So I propose a more "colorful" alternative for those who like red.



Of course, this is pure speculation.

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Louis
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Posted: Saturday, September 08, 2018 - 07:43 AM UTC


I let it dry and I put varnish.




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Louis
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Posted: Friday, September 07, 2018 - 10:26 AM UTC
For the tail I more or less invented the area with the scales in circumflex accents, we distinguish them perhaps or vaguely in the photos.
Ditto for the webbed leg at the back. Not sure it's there or even there is one.

There remains the tooth to redo with white paint, white spots of the crest, the tongue, etc. etc.

The guy who painted this crocodile in 1916 was drawing very well. The scales and the different plates follow very well the shape of the body and their rounded shapes give a volume to the body. It is effective and very successful I think (we must look at the original ... of course).









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Louis
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Posted: Sunday, September 02, 2018 - 08:17 PM UTC
Hello,


Well ... that's not the best idea I had.
I have all varnish gloss with AK varnish to be able to correct errors more easily. Alas the varnish reacts badly to the solvent, and the white becomes ... gray.


I had a layer of Klir that actually resists solvent better but is not indestructible. I repeated several times each stroke and the Klir was therefore damaged (at the level of the crest and scales of the belly) where the black drips. It is much more difficult than expected. There is no landmark in the all-white crocodile to place the scales and all the folds. Some are therefore misplaced.
Cracks have appeared in the varnish, we do not see them with the naked eye but the solvent takes the opportunity to get in and everything is gray. I think it's the thick-layer AK varnish that was not dry enough to support the Klir.





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Louis
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Posted: Thursday, August 23, 2018 - 06:43 PM UTC
thank you,

The dragon is finished:



It remains to remake the varnish that was damaged under the belly during sanding.



The crocodile has been modified with large scales under the belly. The hind legs (only one here) I put them a bit like everyone more or less random because there is no picture to my knowledge ...



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Louis
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Posted: Saturday, August 18, 2018 - 11:00 AM UTC


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Louis
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Posted: Saturday, August 18, 2018 - 07:39 AM UTC
The crocodile in white is made with a stencil.





It is then varnished and the fine lines are painted with oil paint.

I tried (and I made a mistake by cutting the stencil that's why it's upside down ...):







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Louis
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Posted: Wednesday, August 15, 2018 - 09:03 AM UTC

Quoted Text

1 If that "tank" is a tank is in the correct location to catch the over flow from the radiator. (much like my 1950 Plymouth inline six)

2 Note the seated gunner in the left side picture. His position indicates a seat on the right side of the gunner's cockpit. I recall (and I do not have it within reach) The Wellman or Model Airplane drawing/plan, had the seat on the side and the rear of the cockpit held four MG magazines. this would be a more logical layout...

3 The Model is beautiful. The wood is awesome.

4. If the gunner was standing on the varnished wood in his flight boots, there would be circular whitish scratch/wear marks on that floor. Like standing on wet pavement in muddy boots, and twisting around in circles.

Enjoy

Captn Tommy






Hello !

1. I believed it was a gravity fuel tank. It could be a tank for the overflow of the radiator. I do not know.



2. I have no picture of gunner's cockpit, only this plan:






On the plan (p14) there is a small dotted rectangle noted "CASIER". It is at the level of the bombshell on the right of the fuselage. This could indicate the position of the ammunition locker.

I think the gunner was standing too.

P21 Windsockdatafile, the gunner is standing (He breaks for the photographer. The plane is on the ground).

3. Thank you very much !!!


4. That is true. I did not think about it.

Thank you very much.

Regard.

Louis
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Posted: Wednesday, August 15, 2018 - 08:43 AM UTC
Thank you!


Hello,

That's it, it's dry and varnished.

The covers are painted in light green XF76 (if not gray).





I tried to paint white oil paint to make the dragon and the crocodile ... it does not work, the white is not opaque.

It will be decals...



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Posted: Thursday, August 09, 2018 - 02:13 AM UTC
1 If that "tank" is a tank is in the correct location to catch the over flow from the radiator. (much like my 1950 Plymouth inline six)

2 Note the seated gunner in the left side picture. His position indicates a seat on the right side of the gunner's cockpit. I recall (and I do not have it within reach) The Wellman or Model Airplane drawing/plan, had the seat on the side and the rear of the cockpit held four MG magazines. this would be a more logical layout...

3 The Model is beautiful. The wood is awesome.

4. If the gunner was standing on the varnished wood in his flight boots, there would be circular whitish scratch/wear marks on that floor. Like standing on wet pavement in muddy boots, and twisting around in circles.

Enjoy

Captn Tommy
Louis
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Posted: Saturday, July 21, 2018 - 09:56 AM UTC
Thank you,

The lower wing.


It's not too transparent I think.



I have too much beige paint and the cross has almost disappeared.

On the pictures of the plane the central plate seems absent as well as the tank on the wing. We see the sky through the wing ...

In addition there is a tank under the wing that I had not seen:



As on this BII ?




If anyone has any details about his form, I will be very happy ...

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Posted: Friday, July 20, 2018 - 04:36 PM UTC
Fine work.
Louis
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Posted: Wednesday, July 11, 2018 - 10:22 AM UTC

Small "circles" with oil paint (always Sepia):



and spread with a fine brush 3/0, draw the paint in the direction of the wood, here in only one direction.

If we paint in the other direction, it is a trail where the beige paint of the background appears (why?).
These beige trails allow to have grooves in the wood:



All this to approach this:



It looks like the old "linoleum" of my room when I was a kid ...

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Louis
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Posted: Wednesday, July 11, 2018 - 10:22 AM UTC
I redid fasteners for stretchers. Two on each side.




A shot of surfacing with the airbrush and a layer of paint that will serve as a background for the oil painting.







The panels are painted separately but without drying between each panel (too long). I use a piece of tape to limit the start of the panel. The paint is burnt sienna.