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Posted: Tuesday, January 22, 2019 - 11:11 AM UTC
G'day Steve.

I have just trolled through this thread for the first time in months and I've go to say this is a truly epic build. Like Joel, I'm going through a car modelling fetish at the moment after many years on WW2 aircraft, but the techniques used apply across the spectrum and I'm certainly going to be stealing some of yours!

Can't wait to see some primer going on . . . on your 104 . . . of course that's what I was meaning

Cheers, D
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Posted: Tuesday, January 22, 2019 - 11:53 PM UTC
Hi Joel

As always you are very kind. Its good to be chatting with you of course.

I think I might be in breach of site rules if you divert me onto the relative merits of our country's leaders, but there have been more glorious times in each country's history shall we say?

I just hope I don't need a post-Brexit visa to get through a hole in a wall to post here in future :-)

Have a great day,

Steve.
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Posted: Tuesday, January 22, 2019 - 11:58 PM UTC
G'day Damien

Thanks very much. I reckon it's going to be an 18 month project by the time it is finished, maybe more.

Steal away! Just about everything I'm doing here has been learnt from someone else or inspired by other guys, so I claim none of it as my own invention.

You made me smile with your primer reference. It'll be aimed at the kit for sure... this time.

Thanks for looking in and have great fun with the cars,

Steve.
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Posted: Wednesday, January 23, 2019 - 02:27 AM UTC

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Steal away! Just about everything I'm doing here has been learnt from someone else or inspired by other guys, so I claim none of it as my own invention.



Steve, like you, I'm just a big sponge. The proliferation of forums and YouTubers and Facebook pages around our hobby gives us an endless stream of ideas and techniques. The problem is I tend to spend more hours browsing than building.

Self-discipline is something I need some serious work on

Cheers, D
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Posted: Monday, January 28, 2019 - 08:59 AM UTC
Hi Damian,

Yeah, I know the feeling. There's always something else to check out. I often have a build vlog or something playing away in the background while I build. Sometimes I miss the whole thing though, or get distracted and watch instead of building. Even so, today there is progress.

Have a great day,

Steve.
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Posted: Monday, January 28, 2019 - 09:01 AM UTC
Thereís a coat of black primer drying on the undercarriage, and Mr Surfacer drying in gaps in the drop tanks. While they cure I decided to turn my attention to the wings. These are nicely moulded, fit well and join neatly to the fuselage. Hold on. Has this turned into a dream about a Tamiya kit?

It seems not, because there is one problem. The large inboard flaps are too short. They leave a gap between wing and flap. The simplest way to deal with this is to add a little material to the wing and push the flaps inwards. I just glued some plastic card in place, and tomorrow when the glue is dry Iíll carve and sand it to match the profile of the wing. There, back to reality.

And here is the photo reconnaissance.





Happy modelling guys.
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Posted: Monday, January 28, 2019 - 09:34 AM UTC
Steve,
Well, you almost got your wish.

Joel
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Posted: Tuesday, January 29, 2019 - 11:59 PM UTC
Hey Joel,

Yes nearly. It all seemed a bit too easy for a while, and I sort of liked it. I'm building something Tamiya-ish next for sure.

Have a great day,

S.
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Posted: Thursday, January 31, 2019 - 09:32 PM UTC
Love your work. Constructing my TF-104G at the moment and your work helps a lot...the panelling I am going to tackle as well..too rough. Overall a good basic kit, but no Tamiya
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Posted: Friday, February 01, 2019 - 05:04 AM UTC
Hey Tim
Thanks very much. I'm pleased it helps. I'd love to see your work, especially how you tackle the panelling. Are you posting here?
With best wishes,
Steve
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Posted: Sunday, February 03, 2019 - 06:07 AM UTC
Iíve been checking references trying to figure out the colour of the front wheel well. It can look anything from a gloss mid-grey to polished aluminium. In the end I reached for AK Extreme Metal Dark Aluminium. I want a darker tone where the light donít shine. Iíll raise the value a bit at the edges with some simple colour modulation using a lighter aluminium. Before I painted the strut in the same colour I applied AK chrome to the piston. My plan was to make this part super shiny so it stands out. Actually when its surrounded by the other metallic paint on the strut its not noticeably different. I might need to think about that - maybe tone down the surrounding area with some weathering later.

Hereís a couple of close up shots, and by the way, those glue marks and other little imperfections were totally invisible before I sprayed on metallics. Crikey, Iím going to have to take a lot of care with the fuselage.







Happy modelling guys.
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Posted: Sunday, February 03, 2019 - 07:40 AM UTC
Steve,
The 3 sections of the front wheel well looks great so far, as does the strut.

Joel
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Posted: Sunday, February 03, 2019 - 09:45 AM UTC
Hi Steve, not yet posted here. I usually did that on LSP or ARC. I am taking pictures of the progress so I'll give it a go soon. Some older work (2011): https://forum.largescaleplanes.com/index.php?/topic/40735-fishers-hawker-sea-furies-dutch-demoteam-the-aerobats/
Best Tim
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Posted: Sunday, February 03, 2019 - 08:45 PM UTC
Good morning Joel and Tim,

Joel, thanks as always for the constant encouragement.

Tim. that's a lovely clean build and super neat paint job on your Sea Furies. I like the in-flight look too. I've been toying with trying something in-flight for a long time. Maybe my next build (but here's a long list).

If you feel like posting some shots on this thread, please feel free.

Have a great day,

Steve.
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Posted: Sunday, February 10, 2019 - 07:25 AM UTC
Over the last decade or so thereís been an explosion in weathering products and techniques. At the same time weíve seen new paints enter the market that make natural metal finish as, erÖ. metally as can be. Odd then that thereís so little written about weathering natural metal finish. Getting the shine is relatively easy these days, but weathering it is left to our imagination. That means we can play. Woo-hoo!

I wanted a grubby, oily front wheel well without using harsh products that might lift the delicate NMF. In the end I hit on a technique that has served me well. If anything itís over-weathered, but the recess is deep and shadowy so subtle would be the same as invisible. Take a look at the pics and see what you think. I havenít made a video in ages so maybe my next one will explain how I did it.

Shiny happy models, people.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lJ2yAnZ4EYc

P.S. Sorry for one or two rather crappy photos. I couldnít get the light right and even now the pics donít really capture the look, but you get the idea.








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Posted: Wednesday, February 13, 2019 - 12:45 AM UTC
Hi Steve, I'll start posting some later this month. What I found for attacking the deep recessed lines: https://forum.largescaleplanes.com/index.php?/topic/78374-f-8-e-crusader-vmfa-235-da-nang-1966/
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Posted: Wednesday, February 13, 2019 - 10:08 AM UTC
Hey Tim, that's great I'm looking forward to it. I really like the panel line technique you linked to but I've already added lots of rivet detail and I'm worried about sanding it away. I'll keep the idea in my head though for a future build - it gives lovely results. Thanks for sharing it.
Have a great day,
Steve.
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Posted: Sunday, February 24, 2019 - 09:02 AM UTC
The front wheel well is done now. The shot below shows a section of brass rod I used to strengthen the attachment points. Without much more than delicate photo etch to give it strength, the front wheel attachment really needs beefing up .

All thatís left to do now is some weathering to unify everything, adding a lens to the landing light, and of course adding the (resin replacement) wheel itself. Oh, thereís an actuator arm to go in too. Iíll insert the whole assembly into the fuselage later to avoid damaging the leg while I work on bigger fuselage parts, like the air intakes.



Before attaching the inside parts of the air intakes I painted the area behind black. Itís going to be difficult to spray in there later. Harder to see are the thinned out leading edges. A test fit of the outer parts indicates thereís more filling and sanding in my future, especially where they meet the bulged fuselage. Not a good fit there. References also show panels in the crevice which arenít reproduced, but would have been ideal for a PE part. So I looked and that nice Mr Eduard isnít helping this time. Looks like Mr wine bottle foil might be needed instead.



Thatsí all for now folks. I hope your plastic is cooperating.

Steve.
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Posted: Tuesday, March 12, 2019 - 09:24 AM UTC
Hi guys,

Itís been a while I know. The modellersí worst enemy - life - got in the way. Life it seems has a nasty habit of creeping up just when we least expect it, but as my dad often says; itís better than the alternative.

Back at the bench Iíve been procrastinating. Should I stick with my original plan and go for a natural metal finish or opt for cammo? Iíve done so much work on the fuselage that I worry NMF will just exaggerate all the inevitable little imperfections. On the other hand the original aircraft isnít perfect either. My references show scratches, dents, and overlapping panels. Maybe I just answered my own question? Maybe I really want to try some cammo airbrushing? Maybe I just need to decide? Itís a question now because I need to paint the inside of the air intakes and that means making a choice and sticking to it. Got any preferences?

Meanwhile I have been getting areas ready for photo etch. Eduard offers some nice replacements for the panels on the spine. They are poorly moulded in the kit and flush with the fuselage when in reality they should be raised. More filling and sanding has prepared the area. Next Iíll give it a coat of primer, fix any remaining problems and glue on the panels.





Iíve also been taking a look at some other fuselage parts and marvelling at how Italeriís details are so insistent. Take a look at the shot below. I hope you can see how the piece on top has crisp moulding but the piece underneath is soft. They look like they are from different kits. In addition thereís a rough surface texture to some parts just as there was on the Mirage. Thatíll need sanding down with the possibility of having to rescribe panel lines and rivets afterward, especially if I choose NMF.



Hmmm decisions, decisions (again). It almost makes Brexit seem easy.

Bye for now.
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Posted: Thursday, April 04, 2019 - 08:17 AM UTC
Natural metal finish. I decided to stick to my guns. With the choice made, I airbrushed the fuselage-side air intakes gloss black in preparation. That felt good. Somehow just making a choice is rewarding.

Turning to the rear fuselage I sanded out texture, reinforced panel lines and added extra rivet detail. The interior will hardly show once the exhaust is in place but I gave it a coat of gloss black just in case. Oh, and the clear navigation lights were glued in place and painted on the inside - Tamiya clear red first then Valejo silver.

Finally I cemented front landing gear bay into the fuselage.

On reflection I decided not to fit the PE fuselage panels yet. Iím handing the fuselage a lot and there will be filling and sanding when I glue the air intakes together. I donít want to damage them.

Photos you say? Oh yes, photos there are.






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Posted: Thursday, April 04, 2019 - 04:03 PM UTC
Glad to see you came down on the side of NMF Steve. It should look great especially with your approach to weathering.
Having caught up on three months of your posts the wheel well looks superb. The attention to detail has made a real difference. looking forward to see how you go with the intakes.

cheers
Michael
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Posted: Friday, April 05, 2019 - 07:16 AM UTC
Great progress there. Know what you mean about life getting in the way, but that is life
The Zipper is a handful I can see from your build. Mine has been too slow, but my spray booth came in to install this weekend...not easy getting back in the saddle, but your thread helps!!
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Posted: Friday, April 05, 2019 - 09:00 AM UTC
Hi Tim and Michael,

Good to hear from you. Thanks very much for the feedback. This kit is definitely a journey. Yup, in the end I'm looking forward to putting down NMF. Tim good luck and get stuck in. I'm sure you won't regret it once you get underway.

Have a great day.

Steve.
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Posted: Sunday, April 07, 2019 - 08:08 AM UTC
After painting the insides of the air intakes I glued them together. Well, to be more precise I glued the few places where they actually touch each other. Iím not sure if it was my sloppy construction or Italeriís sloppy engineering but there are big gaps. I decided to experiment and try different filling techniques. Best of these was using thin strips if plastic card or stretched sprue to bridge the gaps. Thereís less mess and a more precise application than using putty. I tried Milliput in a couple or areas and itíll work fine, but I like plastic on plastic better. Check out the photos and see what you think.










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Posted: Sunday, April 07, 2019 - 10:55 AM UTC
Hi Steve.

Another catch-up stroll through this thread for me, it is coming along beautifully! Lots of challenges, but lots of great solutions as well.

Have you mixed yourself up a bottle of "Sprue-Goo" yet? If not, it's a really valuable weapon in your arsenal for filling fine gaps and surface blemishes.

Cheers, D