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Aurora-7
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Posted: Tuesday, December 01, 2015 - 07:30 PM UTC
The new PE-2 kit by Zvezda got me wondering if a Dive Bomber Campaign had ever been done here or is that too restricting for a theme?
JClapp
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Posted: Tuesday, December 01, 2015 - 09:53 PM UTC
There never has been a dive bomber campaign here. (Here are all of them, you can see for youself)

It seems like a pretty good idea actually, could fly.
MichaelSatin
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Posted: Tuesday, December 01, 2015 - 10:54 PM UTC
I could be down for that!

Michael
Aurora-7
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Posted: Wednesday, December 02, 2015 - 01:39 AM UTC
The dedicated dive bomber had a rather limited life span - about 20 years or less I believe.

I think the first plane built for the practice was the Curtiss Falcon (the 'first' Helldiver, as it was known to the US Marines) in the mid 20's and the last was the Curtiss SB2C Helldiver.

Off the top of my head without doing a Google search I can think of:

Curtiss Helldivers 1 and 2
Junkers Stuka
I think the JU-88 was built with dive bombing characteristics
Douglas SBD Dauntless
North American Apache
Aichi 'Val'
Yokusuka 'Judy'
Petlyakov Pe-2

Those are the headliners. What else was there? I think Henschel had one before the Junkers Stuka.

Did the Royal Air Force or Royal Navy have any dedicated dive bombers?
MichaelSatin
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Posted: Wednesday, December 02, 2015 - 02:00 AM UTC
Well, the Blackburn Skua was a Royal Navy combination fighter and dive bomber, so I think that would be included. And, of course, the USN SB2U Vindicator.

Michael
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Posted: Wednesday, December 02, 2015 - 02:21 AM UTC
Uh well, sounds interesting. There are other Stukas like the Henschel Hs 123 or the Junkers K47, ancestor of the Ju 87.

By chance, just found an old fujimi Stuka in my stash!

Oliver
JClapp
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Posted: Wednesday, December 02, 2015 - 03:12 AM UTC
There was also the Douglas XSB2D-1 & BTD-1 Destroyer, too late for service in the war, and of which only a few were built.
a few resin kits are available.

edit to add another also-ran, the Brewster Buccaneer.


edit again to add for 1/144 enthusiasts, this Anigrand set contains both a Brewster Buccaneer and a Douglas XSB2D Destroyer, as well as the never produced Grumman XTB2F Avenger II, in addition to the Mercator.


Jessie_C
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Posted: Wednesday, December 02, 2015 - 07:10 AM UTC
What a perfect opportunity to do this one!

Or this one:

Or even this one:
Cbacon84
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Posted: Thursday, December 03, 2015 - 07:46 AM UTC
Might also be able to throw in the Hawker Heart B.4A as Swedish General Björn Bjuggren wrote in his memoirs that his squadron found out that it was capable of dive bombing and developed dive-bombing techniques for the Heart
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Posted: Thursday, December 03, 2015 - 06:27 PM UTC
Also the Loire-Nieuport LN.401

Aurora-7
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Posted: Thursday, December 03, 2015 - 10:45 PM UTC
The Military Factory site has a nice listing of aircraft labeled as WWII dive bombers from all combatants. I'm not sure how comprehensive it is and some listed I didn't take as dive bombers (the Douglas TBD for example) but maybe they had performed the dive bomber role.

WWII Dive Bombers

They are just WWII aircraft and we wouldn't want to limit it just to these:

1944 Aichi B7A Ryusei (Grace)
1940 Aichi D3A (Val)
1944 Aichi E16A Zuiun (Paul)
1943 Arado Ar E.340
1943 Blohm and Voss Bv P.192
1943 Brewster XA-32
1941 Brewster XSBA-1 / SBN-1
1941 CAC Woomera (A23)
1943 Curtiss SB2C Helldiver
1938 Curtiss SBC Helldiver
1941 Dornier Do 217
1941 Douglas A-24 Banshee
1944 Douglas BTD Destroyer
1938 Douglas SBD Dauntless
1943 Fairey Barracuda
1945 Fairey Spearfish
1942 Grumman TBF Avenger
1936 Henschel Hs 123
1945 Henschel Hs 132
1943 Junkers Ju 187
1937 Junkers Ju 87 (StuKa - Sturzkampfflugzeug)
1939 Junkers Ju 88
1945 Kaiser-Fleetwings XBTK
1940 Kawasaki Ki-48 Sokei (Lily)
1938 Latecoere 298
1939 Loire-Nieuport LN.401/LN.411 (LN.40)
1943 Messerschmitt Me 210
1938 Mitsubishi Ki-30 (Ann)
1940 Mitsubishi Ki-51 (Sonia)
1943 North American A-36 Apache (Invader)
1941 Petlyakov Pe-2 (Pawn)
1942 Tupolev Tu-2 (Bat)
1937 Vought SB2U Vindicator
1941 Vultee A-35 Vengeance
1944 Vultee XA-41
1942 Yokosuka D4Y Suisei (Judy)
BoiseBlade
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Posted: Tuesday, December 15, 2015 - 04:53 AM UTC
I would be up for this one!
Many good kits to chose from
Capistrano
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Posted: Tuesday, December 15, 2015 - 07:39 AM UTC
Have to include the P-39 as well
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Posted: Tuesday, December 15, 2015 - 06:54 PM UTC

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Have to include the P-39 as well



No, because it was not designed as a dive bomber. Otherwise we'd need to include nearly every aircraft which was ever used as a fighter-bomber.
Aurora-7
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Posted: Monday, December 21, 2015 - 05:49 AM UTC
Any more interests?

I just got this kit tonight from my daughter's tutor. He tried offering to one of his students but he had no interests.

nico37
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Posted: Monday, December 21, 2015 - 12:06 PM UTC
Hi,

i could be interested, depending on the time lines ...

cheers
nico
MichaelSatin
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Posted: Monday, December 21, 2015 - 05:51 PM UTC

Quoted Text

Hi,

i could be interested, depending on the time lines ...

cheers
nico



At this point, if this one gets submitted soon, we'd probably be looking at starting in March and running through September.

Michael
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Posted: Sunday, January 03, 2016 - 10:38 AM UTC
Good list Michael. Can't believe no one mentioned vultee until that.
As other Michael mentioned, don't forget the Skua.

Also the IMAM Ro57 and Savoia SM85.

This would be an excuse to build a Val if I can find time.
MichaelSatin
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Posted: Sunday, January 24, 2016 - 03:03 AM UTC
Haven't heard much from this one lately, what do you all think, are there 10 for this one yet? Let me know if you're going to submit it Michael.

Michael
Aurora-7
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Posted: Wednesday, January 27, 2016 - 10:49 PM UTC
I've all but abandoned it since we didn't get 10 definitive responses of interest. I thought that was the rule for an air campaign.
MichaelSatin
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Posted: Wednesday, January 27, 2016 - 11:03 PM UTC
It is. Just thought I'd try to drum up some more interest.

Michael
md72
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Posted: Wednesday, January 27, 2016 - 11:23 PM UTC
Aw geez, another campaign for me to get all interested in and fail to finish..

Let's see A-36, SBD, SB2C, SBC?, TBF/M, SB2U, and maybe even a Vultee Vengeance in the stash. Time to actually finish something = 0.
Aurora-7
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Posted: Thursday, January 28, 2016 - 03:48 PM UTC
I think this puts us at 9. One more and I'll submit it.
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Posted: Thursday, January 28, 2016 - 05:41 PM UTC
Hi Michael

I'm in with a Petlaykov Pe-2 - not sure yet if it will be the 1/72 Airfix model or the new 1/48 Zvezda model. Seeing that it will be my 1st campaign on Aeroscale [or anywhere] I think I will play it safe with the Airfix model.

Regards,
Kobus
Aurora-7
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Posted: Thursday, January 28, 2016 - 07:02 PM UTC
And that makes 10!

I've submitted the campaign proposal with some basic rules.

Mike mentioned a date range for this from March to September. Is everyone ok with that?