login   |    register
Start Here (for Beginners)
This forum is for younger modelers or people just starting out in the hobby.
Hosted by Kevin Brant
FEATURE
Alclad Adventures
betheyn
Staff MemberSenior Editor
AEROSCALE
#019
_VISITCOMMUNITY
England - South East, United Kingdom
Joined: October 14, 2004
KitMaker: 4,482 posts
AeroScale: 2,192 posts
Posted: Friday, May 30, 2008 - 09:37 PM UTC

Nigel Julian (Lampie) gives us an article explaining how he goes about painting a model with a metal finish.

Link to Item

If you have comments or questions please post them here.

Thanks!
JPTRR
Staff MemberManaging Editor
RAILROAD MODELING
#051
_VISITCOMMUNITY
Tennessee, United States
Joined: December 21, 2002
KitMaker: 7,342 posts
AeroScale: 3,044 posts
Posted: Saturday, May 31, 2008 - 05:10 PM UTC
Nigel,

Well done. This should remove the fear of NMF for many who haven't tried one yet!
drabslab
_VISITCOMMUNITY
European Union
Joined: September 28, 2004
KitMaker: 2,149 posts
AeroScale: 1,581 posts
Posted: Sunday, June 01, 2008 - 08:27 PM UTC
Marveloous article...

and, at least for me, just in time
Bigskip
#035
_VISITCOMMUNITY
England - South East, United Kingdom
Joined: June 27, 2006
KitMaker: 2,480 posts
AeroScale: 574 posts
Posted: Monday, June 02, 2008 - 08:37 PM UTC
Nice one Nigel.

I was unaware of being able to clean up with alcohol, i've always used laquer thinner.

Cheers Mate

Andy
CMOT
Staff MemberEditor-in-Chief
ARMORAMA
#406
_VISITCOMMUNITY
England - South West, United Kingdom
Joined: May 14, 2006
KitMaker: 10,482 posts
AeroScale: 255 posts
Posted: Monday, June 16, 2008 - 06:17 AM UTC
When I made aircraft with a metallic finish I always found it very hard to to apply the anti glare panels, I admit this was before I started using an airbrush, so my question is, apply the Anti glare first, mask off and spray, or spray the metallic finish and then mask and spary?
mfoster
_VISITCOMMUNITY
Cape Province, South Africa
Joined: May 09, 2008
KitMaker: 10 posts
AeroScale: 7 posts
Posted: Monday, June 16, 2008 - 09:05 PM UTC
Good day here are some of my Alclad attempts
P-47 1/32

P-51 mustang 1/48

P-47 1/72


Thank you
Mike
lampie
#029
_VISITCOMMUNITY
England - East Midlands, United Kingdom
Joined: December 23, 2005
KitMaker: 6,224 posts
AeroScale: 3,269 posts
Posted: Monday, July 14, 2008 - 05:44 AM UTC

Quoted Text

When I made aircraft with a metallic finish I always found it very hard to to apply the anti glare panels, I admit this was before I started using an airbrush, so my question is, apply the Anti glare first, mask off and spray, or spray the metallic finish and then mask and spary?



Hi Darren.
Sorry for the late reply,Ive only just seen this.
I always apply the metallic finish first and then mask/spray over the top of that.
The blue bands on the Thunderbolt MKII were done this way. After the wash was applied I then masked the metallic finish around the bands and matt varnished them.
Nige
thegirl
_VISITCOMMUNITY
Alberta, Canada
Joined: January 19, 2008
KitMaker: 6,733 posts
AeroScale: 6,141 posts
Posted: Tuesday, July 15, 2008 - 03:11 AM UTC
I found this to be very helpful , I have always used Testors model Master aluminum buffing paint .
lampie
#029
_VISITCOMMUNITY
England - East Midlands, United Kingdom
Joined: December 23, 2005
KitMaker: 6,224 posts
AeroScale: 3,269 posts
Posted: Thursday, July 17, 2008 - 12:49 AM UTC
Thanks Terri.
Im glad this features helped a few people, and we may even see some NMF planes in the forums soon that are a direct result of it.
That'll be "job satisfaction" indeed.
Nige
squeeky1968
_VISITCOMMUNITY
England - East Anglia, United Kingdom
Joined: June 06, 2006
KitMaker: 315 posts
AeroScale: 66 posts
Posted: Saturday, July 19, 2008 - 08:24 AM UTC
They look fantastic,but being a fan of brushwork (and being too lazy to muck about with airbrushes !) i`ve found that you can achieve a fairly good finish using well thinned tin paint and a brand new brush,applied to a clean model of course.
Having said that i`m gonna have to look into buying an airbrush coz i`ve developed a bad habit of collecting 1/32 scale models !!
CMOT
Staff MemberEditor-in-Chief
ARMORAMA
#406
_VISITCOMMUNITY
England - South West, United Kingdom
Joined: May 14, 2006
KitMaker: 10,482 posts
AeroScale: 255 posts
Posted: Sunday, July 20, 2008 - 07:14 PM UTC
Thanks Nigel I will have to give that a try when I get round to the 1/24 Mustang. be prepared for more questions
Tomcat31
#042
_VISITCOMMUNITY
England - North East, United Kingdom
Joined: November 18, 2006
KitMaker: 2,828 posts
AeroScale: 1,720 posts
Posted: Saturday, August 09, 2008 - 08:15 AM UTC
This may help...

Here's some scans of the instructions that I got wrapped round a bottle of Alclad once.





Cheers

Allen
calvin2000
_VISITCOMMUNITY
Colorado, United States
Joined: July 25, 2007
KitMaker: 886 posts
AeroScale: 332 posts
Posted: Tuesday, November 25, 2008 - 06:32 AM UTC
Oh boy did I just screw it up... used the alclad and everything went fine and dandy then used a bit of mm plate alum. and the world blew up it crazed. well I think it is salvageable but for now this superbolt is back in the box .... what a bummer this day became. live and learn i guess
Kelly
warreni
_VISITCOMMUNITY
South Australia, Australia
Joined: August 14, 2007
KitMaker: 5,851 posts
AeroScale: 2,181 posts
Posted: Sunday, September 25, 2011 - 10:46 AM UTC
Hmmm I never knew you used alcohol to clean your airbrush after using Alclad.. Might give it a go now.
Thanks Nige
lampie
#029
_VISITCOMMUNITY
England - East Midlands, United Kingdom
Joined: December 23, 2005
KitMaker: 6,224 posts
AeroScale: 3,269 posts
Posted: Sunday, September 25, 2011 - 09:45 PM UTC
Hi Warren.
Yep, Isoproyl alcohol works a treat.
I also use it if I need to strip a panel and repaint.
Mask off the area along the nearest convenient panel lines using Tamiya tape, and very gently rub at the paint using a cotton bud/Q-tip just dampened with isopropyl.
At the edges, swipe from the masking tape onto the area being stripped and not the other way round. This way you don't force isopropyl under the masking tape.
On this P-47, most of both wings and a section of the starboard fusalage were stripped (as far onto the build as the decal stage) amongst many other individual panels, and repainted.
A bit scary the first time you attempt it but once you've done it a couple of times you get used to it.


Hope this helps
Nige
Joel_W
_VISITCOMMUNITY
New York, United States
Joined: December 04, 2010
KitMaker: 9,444 posts
AeroScale: 7,295 posts
Posted: Wednesday, July 24, 2013 - 02:36 AM UTC
Nigel, really enjoyed your article on NMFs. Just loaded with sound, basic methods, and advice.
Joel
vanize
_VISITCOMMUNITY
Texas, United States
Joined: January 30, 2006
KitMaker: 1,945 posts
AeroScale: 1,157 posts
Posted: Wednesday, July 24, 2013 - 03:52 AM UTC
I can confirm the alclad black primer is bad news - didn't ever cure in my case either.

And for what it is worth, I have used the tamiya spray bottle gloss black as a primer layer (which is a lacquer base, not acrylic) under alclad metallics with good success - but you do have to keep the alclad coats very light and build up in coats, as nigel said, or the alclad might attack the lacquer (hasn't happened to me yet tho).
AussieReg
Staff MemberAssociate Editor
AUTOMODELER
#007
_VISITCOMMUNITY
Victoria, Australia
Joined: June 09, 2009
KitMaker: 5,978 posts
AeroScale: 3,474 posts
Posted: Wednesday, July 24, 2013 - 10:27 AM UTC
I'm glad this thread has been bumped up again, I hope it encourages a few more folks to try the NMF schemes.

I always use Tamiya black semi-gloss acrylic as my Alclad primer and have never had any problems. I also mask and spray the anti glare panels and stripes over the Alclad after just an hour or so drying, usually using "post-it notes" as the masking, they are extremely low-tack and never lift the paint underneath.

Cheers, D
lampie
#029
_VISITCOMMUNITY
England - East Midlands, United Kingdom
Joined: December 23, 2005
KitMaker: 6,224 posts
AeroScale: 3,269 posts
Posted: Wednesday, July 24, 2013 - 01:45 PM UTC
Blimey, is it really over 5 years since I wrote this article??

It takes me almost that long to finish a model these days!

Really glad that all this time afterwards it's still encouraging people to give a nmf a go

Cheers,
Nige
julionav
_VISITCOMMUNITY
Florida, United States
Joined: September 01, 2016
KitMaker: 75 posts
AeroScale: 69 posts
Posted: Friday, October 07, 2016 - 03:59 PM UTC

Quoted Text

Blimey, is it really over 5 years since I wrote this article??

It takes me almost that long to finish a model these days!

Really glad that all this time afterwards it's still encouraging people to give a nmf a go

Cheers,
Nige



You have no idea how much encouragement that article did for me. I will now face painting my bubble top with far less fear than I had before.

Thanks Nigel, Joel and Jessica for all the advice you guys give so generously.