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Subject: Photo-Recce campaign proposal
PolarBearLocation: Skåne, Sweden
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Posted: Thursday, January 10, 2008 - 10:14 PM GMT
Hi guys!

I would like to propose a campaign for the fall of 2008! I've always been facinated by the photo-reconnaissance units, often flying deep into enemy territory with no other weapon than a camera. Some of the most beautiful aircraft have been used extensively for PR-missions, such as the Spitfire, the Mosquito and the P-38 Lightning.

The PR Spitfire! Came in blue for boys and pink for girls!

In modern times, PR aircraft often come with long and fascinating noses, pods and other extensions, making them truly stand out from the crowd!!

A Mirage IIIRD and an RF-5E TigerEye - You might need some aftermarket stuff here!

A photo-reconnaissance campaign would not be limited to a certain kind of aircraft, country, theater or time period. In fact, it would enable the participants to build subjects ranging from at least 1915 until today!

Early reconnaissance aircraft - the Albatros B.II

WWII - Some beautiful mosquitos!

The next generation – PODs and UAVs will be allowed in the campaign, as long as there is a camera!

A great place for inspiration is the Spyflight website, featuring loads of beautiful cold war examples such as the Canberra PR.9 and the SR-71 Blackbird;



All scales will be welcome. I plan to be rather lenient of the rules, but one rule is essential! Camera must show ! (either outside or through the camera window) This will probably call for just a little bit of scratch building! Here's some examples through the ages!



I would love to know you would find the proposed campaign interesting! Also, I need suggestions for a catchy name for the campaign (currently, I'm thinking of naming it "The paparazzi club") and - as always - a nice ribbon (perhaps based on a role of film, see below?)!


Cheers!
//PolarBear!

PS. What's with the long face, my friend!? Come join the campign!



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magnusfLocation: Stockholm, Sweden
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Posted: Thursday, January 10, 2008 - 11:32 PM GMT
Who would I be to say no to such a great idea? I am on (of course...).

That's one of the advantages of a 200+ stash, it is always possible to find something suitable!

Regarding long faces: I've got something that is a lot worse! It comes from South Africa but has French ancestry...

Regards

Magnus
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EmeritusLocation: Uusimaa, Finland
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Posted: Friday, January 11, 2008 - 12:30 AM GMT
Sounds good.
But are you thinking of a campaign just for dedicated photo-recce aircraft, or more of recce planes in general?
For example, is a westland lysander ok?
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SGTJKJLocation: Kobenhavn, Denmark
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Posted: Friday, January 11, 2008 - 12:45 AM GMT
Go go, blackbird!!

I am in!
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PolarBearLocation: Skåne, Sweden
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Posted: Friday, January 11, 2008 - 04:40 AM GMT
MagnusF: I'm glad to have you on board! I thought you'ld opt for the Spitfire PR Mk XIX (I'll send you your kits soon, I promise!), but now you're speaking in riddles! I don't know what you're referring to, bu I've seen some pretty strange Mirages...?

Emeritus: Camera must show! Let's save the other reconnaissance, naval surveillance, secret ops, AEWs etc for future campaigns! I might allow handheld cameras like with the guys below, provided that it is an aircraft that is generally operated in reconnaissance missions, such as the Storch, the Wyslander, the Catalina etc (if you don't want to build a crew, at least put a camera on the seat!). - There are such a wide range of "pure" photo-reconnaissance aircraft out there, though! I hope that you'll find something suitable!!!



SGTJKJ: I was hoping that you would say that! Cooool!

Wow! Looks like I've attracted quite the Nordic crowd so far. Did all the represented countries have photo-reconnaissance versions of the SAAB 35 Draken? I know that Sweden and Denmark did, but I'm not sure about Finland. Hmmm, it sure would be nice to have one of those Drakens in the campaign...

Now, let's here it from the rest of the planet!

Cheers!

// PolarBear

Ps. Here is another great site with lots of info regarding cameras, aircraft and PR missions (mostly US oriented)
Some examples from them early days:

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JMartineLocation: Connecticut, United States
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Posted: Friday, January 11, 2008 - 08:14 AM GMT
I just want to commend you on the "montage" of information and pictures! Really great presentation..alas, I dont have the time nor kit to sign up for this one, but wanted to tell you what a great job you did on the posting of info, i will bookmark for future reference, cheers!
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Phantom2Location: Östergötland, Sweden
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Posted: Friday, January 11, 2008 - 08:30 AM GMT
Hi all!

RA-5C Vigilante or SR-71 Blackbird????

Of course I´m in on this too, Can never resist an interesting theme.

Gives me an opportunity to go trough my stash, there´s always something for every campaign!

Give the Eye in the Skye a good smile now, you hear!

Cheers!

Stefan E
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PolarBearLocation: Skåne, Sweden
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Posted: Friday, January 11, 2008 - 10:07 PM GMT
JMartine: Thanks for the kind words! I believe that it has become a tradtion for the campaign leaders here at Aeroscale to try and add a little extra touch to their campaigns, much thanks to Jean-Luc. In my mind, campaigns should be fun and educational, both regarding building techniques and the campaign subject.

This campaign will not be off the ground for another six months at least, due to the unfortunate waiting period between a proposal and a campaign start (I want to start NOW!!!). If we get the go ahead, it will not end until the beginning of 2009! Perhaps you have the time by then!? You would be most welcome to join the campaign!

Phantom 2: I find the RA-5C Vigilante a most excellent choice. Interesting photo-recce history, and such a beautiful aircraft!



Cheers!
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JMartineLocation: Connecticut, United States
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Posted: Saturday, January 12, 2008 - 06:53 AM GMT
Um, if it takes that long to start (2009), I will have time to clear up my bench and add yet another Mustang, the F-6B TAC Recce Mustang... will that qualify? Thanks~ ! Jim
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magnusfLocation: Stockholm, Sweden
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Posted: Saturday, January 12, 2008 - 01:16 PM GMT
PolarBear: Yes, it is one of those "Pretty Strange Mirages". High Planes did a whole bunch of these. And I am in no hurry regarding that Spit, I've got several other models to build before i really need that one...

Regards

Magnus
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PolarBearLocation: Skåne, Sweden
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Posted: Sunday, January 13, 2008 - 03:26 AM GMT
JMartine: An F-6B Mustang would definitely qualify! Btw: Do you know if the Americans had any Mustangs in PRU blue?

Cheers!
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PolarBearLocation: Skåne, Sweden
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Posted: Sunday, January 13, 2008 - 10:19 AM GMT
Hi guys!

I've been working on a possible banner for the campaign. How do you like it?



I know that it is tiny, so get your glasses! Bonus points and a bottle of PRU Blue to those who can place at least three of the pictures that I picked to illustrate the history of aerial photo-reconnaissance. They are rather famous... Anyone?


Cheers!

Polarbear
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SGTJKJLocation: Kobenhavn, Denmark
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Posted: Friday, January 18, 2008 - 09:31 PM GMT
Very difficult to see, but I would like to try:

From the right it is:

1. SAM site before and after destruction, could be from Vietnam, Afghanistan, Iraq

2. This is without a doubt from Cuba showing the missiles etc. from the Cuba crisis.

3. The bridge that was one of the "choke points" of the Ho Chi Mihn trail. This is a wild guess. Alternatively it could be one of the bridges destroyed in Iraq. It seems to be a bridge anyway.

4. I have no idea

5. It is a difficult one, but I would guess it is a smiley with a camera. Maybe a close up from 15.000 meters altitude of the enemys computer screen
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atopluLocation: Ankara, Turkey / Türkçe
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Posted: Saturday, January 19, 2008 - 12:34 AM GMT
Hi all,
I am in.
I can make Turkish Air Force Rf-4E.
Like this.

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SGTJKJLocation: Kobenhavn, Denmark
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Posted: Saturday, January 19, 2008 - 09:26 PM GMT
I just browsed some net stores for recon aircraft kits. I found this one which is a must for this campaign for me. The tiger stripes makes for a very unique aircraft.

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PolarBearLocation: Skåne, Sweden
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Posted: Saturday, January 19, 2008 - 10:34 PM GMT
Jesper: You have the eyes of a hawk! Well done with the Cuban missile crisis! The USAF used both U-2 reconnaissance aircraft and RF-101C Voodoo The low-level pictures were taken with the KA-18A Stereo Strip camera, and with the new techniques, President Kennedy could examine the pictures within 24 hours! The Century Series seems to be in fashion with the modelling community right now (there is an ongoing groupbuild at HyperScale). For those of you who wish to build a Voodoo, I know that Hasegawa has a kit in 1/72 and that there are some conversion sets on the market. Then - of course - there is something for those who like to keep it small!


Oh, and here is a picture of the KA-18A camera (Camera must show!)


Regarding the photo quiz - Two more pictures and the bottle of PRU blue is yours! For the picture on the far left - think WWI, for the second one - think WWII (it is a bridge, alright - a very important bridge), and for the one on the far right - think only a couple of weeks ago! Sorry, but the smiley does not count!

Jesper and Atoplu: The RF-4E will be most welcome! Both schemes are great! The German Tiger will be awsome!

Wow, it sure looks like there is going to be a lot of Phantoms built this year! I was actually thinking of perhaps building an Israeli F-4E(S) Peace Jack for this campaign, but I've changed my mind (see below!).

Magnus: Are you planning to go Cheetah on us!?!



If so, I just might have to go Tznuit on you (longest nose wins!?). In fact, I'm ordering the AML kit tomorrow!

Cheers! // PolarBear
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SGTJKJLocation: Kobenhavn, Denmark
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Posted: Sunday, January 20, 2008 - 08:19 AM GMT
Okay, I will have a second shoot at the last three pictures:

Far right is the Syrian nuclear reactor destroyed by Israeli aircraft. Before and after photo. Not that difficult when you have a tight timeframe.

No. 3 from right is probably the Arnhem bridge. Alternatively Remagen bridge.

The far left WWI picture is difficult. I have difficulty seeing the details and half the picture is hidden by the text. However, I would guess that it is Verdun.
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magnusfLocation: Stockholm, Sweden
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Posted: Sunday, January 20, 2008 - 08:42 AM GMT
PolarBear: Your'e right, the Cheetah was what I had in mind!

I got second thoughts about it now: I am not sure that there are any cameras in that nose. I'll have to check it first.

Tzniut: I have a few photos of those strange Israeli PR-Mirage conversions, I suppose your thinking about the long one that swivels?

I am sure that there is something suitable in the stash even if the Cheetah shouldn't qualify!

Regards

Magnus
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magnusfLocation: Stockholm, Sweden
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Posted: Sunday, January 20, 2008 - 08:56 AM GMT
I quote myself tonight regarding Cheetahs:

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I got second thoughts about it now: I am not sure that there are any cameras in that nose. I'll have to check it first.



Nope, there are obviously other things that you can carry around in such a long nose besides cameras since the Cheetah doesn´t have any so no Cheetah for this campaign! Too bad since it is a cool aircraft and I have at least one that needs some motivation to get built (it is a High Planes kit...).

Well well, lets see what I can find instead...



Magnus
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Posted: Sunday, January 20, 2008 - 09:18 AM GMT
Björn this sounds like a great campaign, I’m in.


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Regarding long faces: I've got something that is a lot worse! It comes from South Africa but has French ancestry...



Magnus unfortunately the Cheetah R was cancelled after only one was built (now a testbed), but the Cheetah C uses the Vinten Vicon 18 series 600 Reconnaissance pod on the Centreline rack.
IIRC ironically 2 Squadron SAAF - "Flying Cheetahs", amongst it’s other duties, are utilised in the PRU role.

Also for strange livery have a look at the Recce Meet.
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Posted: Sunday, January 20, 2008 - 09:26 AM GMT
All of you interested, don't forget to go here Photo Recon Campaign Page and "Enlist" in the Campaign
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PolarBearLocation: Skåne, Sweden
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Posted: Sunday, January 20, 2008 - 01:52 PM GMT
Jesper: Well done!!! Here are larger versions of the pictures;


Trenches and no-man's land at Loos-en-Gohelle (northern France - close to Verdun) on July 22, 1917


Arnhem bridge. The picture was taken seven days before the allied attack.


Cuban missile crisis


Syrian reactor "before" and "after" shots


The bottle of PRU blue (Xtracrylics) is all yours! It works particularilly well on Mosquitos and Lightnings! Just send me your address and I'll mail it to you. Congratulations!

Magnus: Too bad about the Cheetah! I'm sure you'll find something else in your stash! And yes - I would be very interested in the Tznuit pictures (Mirage and/or Kfir) - the ones with the looooooooooooong noses.

Savage: Thanks for the info on the Cheetah versions, and for the great link! Some really nice markings. I especially like the Swiss Mirage IIIRS - very stylish! (Syhart decals are suppposed to release decal sets in both 1/48 and 1/72 with these markings) And seeing a Viggen always make my fingers itch...! Welcome to the campign, btw! Any idea what to build?
Chuck: Thanks for the link to the Campaign enrollment page! Now go sign up, everybody!

Cheers! // PolarBear
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SGTJKJLocation: Kobenhavn, Denmark
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Posted: Sunday, January 20, 2008 - 05:43 PM GMT

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Jesper: Well done!!! Here are larger versions of the pictures;[i]

Chuck: Thanks for the link to the Campaign enrollment page! Now go sign up, everybody!

Cheers! // PolarBear



Thanks - it gets easier when one knows what war to look for

I have signed up and is looking forward to the campaign.
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vanizeLocation: Texas, United States
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Posted: Monday, January 21, 2008 - 07:39 AM GMT
I signed up. There are a couple recce planes I can think of that I want to do.
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PolarBearLocation: Skåne, Sweden
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Posted: Monday, January 21, 2008 - 07:20 PM GMT
Vanize wrote:
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I signed up. There are a couple recce planes I can think of that I want to do.



Great to have you on board, Vance! If you can't come up with anything else, you can always put your hand in plaster and paint it PRU Blue!


The famous cast that entitled Vanize complimentary ribbons in both the "Show your teeth" and "Suez 50 years" campaigns.

Don't forget to stick a camera in there! - Just kidding! Be careful of your limbs and build us a nice aircraft instead! Any idea of what you might build?

Cheers! // PolarBear
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Posted: Tuesday, January 22, 2008 - 02:16 AM GMT

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The famous cast that entitled Vanize complimentary ribbons in both the "Show your teeth" and "Suez 50 years" campaigns



well, actually, I only received a pity ribbon from the immensely kind moderator of the Suez campaign (thank you very much!). The "Show Your Teeth" campaign was apparently too viscious for that.

BTW, the car wreck that caused that broken hand was a large part of the reason I dropped out of modeling for a while, as I also got a mild case of whiplash from it. The neck injury did not affect me much at first besides spinal stiffness for a few weeks, but a few months down the line (after the broken left hand had healed) it cause a pinched nerve which gave constant pain in my right shoulder and also numbness in my right thumb and index finger for over a year. It still bothers me a little sometimes, but my worst days now are far better than my best ones were 6 months ago, so it is definitely on the mend (finally) and I can do stuff that requires fine dexterity again. I am REALLY gald that is more or less behind me now.

Then there was also a 1000 mile move across the country (to warmer weather), a new job, a wonderful new girlfriend (who totally tolerates modeling mania and messed up shoulders), and buying a fixer-upper house in the middle of all that too. the result of the latter is that I now have a whole room devoted to being my model building studio (to heck with guest bedrooms!) and a garage with a corner setup for airbrushing -much better than working on the kitchen tble and trying to spray paint on the balcony.

Hooray for new beginnings!

Anyway, the ups and downs of my personal life is way off topic - I will most likely be doing an RF-84F (a fusion of Heller and Monogram kits) for this campaign, but an Accurate Minitures F-6 Mustang is not out of the question.

It's good to see that you are still in the running campaigns business PolarBear.
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TedMamereLocation: Moselle, France
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Posted: Tuesday, January 22, 2008 - 05:07 AM GMT

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well, actually, I only received a pity ribbon from the immensely kind moderator of the Suez campaign (thank you very much!). The "Show Your Teeth" campaign was apparently too viscious for that.



Hi Vance,

Sorry for that, I must have forgot. The ribbon should now show up on your profile page. Welcome back to the site...

Jean-Luc
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PolarBearLocation: Skåne, Sweden
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Posted: Tuesday, January 22, 2008 - 07:37 AM GMT
Jean-Luc!: I'm glad that you finally decided to jump into this thread! Dare I wish for you to join our little campaign!? With something French, perhaps?

May I suggest this sleak and beautiful French photo-reconnaissance jet (with quite an interesting history) - If you've started to enjoy modern aircraft, that is! Personally, I'm getting quite a kick from building the Jas 39A Gripen for the Mark Sharp campaign!

Vanize: Life sure takes its turns! It seems that you've met a wonderful woman and that you are enjoying yourself! I've also been on a hiatus for a while (due to such marvelous things as a little baby boy taking all the space and time) but I'm slowly getting back to the hobby! - Both your suggestions will be fine entries in the campaign. Which markings for the RF-84F?

Cheers! // PolarBear
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magnusfLocation: Stockholm, Sweden
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Posted: Tuesday, January 22, 2008 - 08:31 AM GMT
Hmmmmm...

I went through the Excel-based (ain't I scientific ) kit register quickly tonight: I have other High Planes Mirages that include photo noses so there is no immediate need to go shopping...

I also found several other kits, right now I think I am a bit biased towards an Arado 234. I got it in an exchange deal, I was none too happy about it since I thought the four-engined Arado was Luftwaffe '46, but it seems that there were almost 20 built and some of them were used in a PR role.

I have a very tempting P-38 conversion as well but hollowing out the solid resin nose for the "camera must show"-requirement doesn't feel attractive And a Mirage IV but I leave that one to Jean-Luc for ethnical reasons...

With the inventory more or less bulging with PR-types, I think I will allow myself the luxury of a last-minute-decision when campaign start draws nearer!



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Posted: Tuesday, January 22, 2008 - 09:36 AM GMT
Hi all!

Errrr... Uhhh! I don't know if I will have the time to participate to this very interesting Campaign, but certainly not with a modern aircraft! I've already done the Rafale last year and I think I will stick to WW2 for the next 10 years at last!

Ok, let's see what I have in my stash for this...

Jean-Luc
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